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You can’t fool the fans


Posted On:Feb 28, 2008

At 5:55 p.m. Thursday, I took a call from sports correspondent Lloyd Combs, who’s in Castlewood tonight working the Region D, Division 1 girls semifinals.
“There’s not 100 people here,” he said of the scene 35 minutes before tipoff.
Used to be that for a Region D Tournament, you’d have to get there early—as in an hour or so before tipoff—or risk not finding a parking space or seat.
Not these days, which is yet another example of why basketball fans in southwest Virginia aren’t fooled by the Virginia High School League’s new divisional format for Group A basketball playoffs.
Since postseason started almost two weeks ago, I’ve covered three district tournament (Clinch Mountain girls, Lonesome Pine boys, Southwest boys) and regional quarterfinals in Abingdon and Gate City.
At only two of those events—the LPD boys, in part because of Pound’s small gym—and Gate City was the attendance and atmosphere worthy of a postseason event. At the others, particularly the Clinch Mountain girls semifinals at spacious Virginia High, it was like watching a game in a library at times.
The apologists will take the VHSL’s side and say it creates more state champions and gives schools with a smaller enrollment (like Ervinton and Twin Valley) a chance to better compete at this level. In theory, yes, in reality, not automatically.
Do you think the powerful Council teams of the mid-90s or the early 2000s needed divisional play to make their stamp on the state? Considering the 142-student school won a Group A title and reached the state semifinals three other times in seven years, I think you know the answer.
And if the Ervinton girls (and perhaps the Twin Valley boys and girls) reach the Division 1 semifinals in two weeks, it’s possible they could play schools with two or three times the enrollment. So that argument about playing schools your size is already a falsehood.
Look, the cat’s ran out of this bag permanently. Divisional playoffs are coming to Group AA as soon as next year and they’ll be in every sport within five years.
But if the last couple of weeks is any indication, prep basketball fans—at least the ones in southwest Virginia—have cast their vote for divisional playoffs.
By staying away from the gyms. 

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Posted by ( TV ) on February 29, 2008 at 5:36 pm

I think the “staying away from the gym” comment is a little premature.  Like it or not, the girls preliminaries were never attended that well.  Certainly, there may have been much bigger crowds in the past, but in previous years there were only two games to watch now there is (were, last night) four.  Fans make choices as to which games they want to go see.  At Lebanon for the D2 girls there was a very good crowd for both games (VA High/Lee and Honaker/Kelly).  Tonight, I would imagine that for the boys there will be larger crowds.  Add to that, that the finals at VA High on Saturday will be crowded (we’ll see). 

I’m not a fan of the divisional splits but let’s face it:  there’s here to stay.  But we’ll see what the crowds are like Friday and Saturday.

Posted by ( Anthony Lee ) on March 01, 2008 at 1:06 pm

I agree that it gives other smaller schools like St. Paul and Ervinton a chance to get to the state.  On the other hand the Region D playoffs are nothing like they use to be.  In fact they are boring, I hate to see it go to this formart.  I was a Castlewood High School Friday night for the Region D 1 semis and it was nothing like a Region D semifinal atmosphere.  Two years ago when the Region D Tournament was at Castlewood the stands were packed and the atmosphere electric.  Now going to the Regionals is like going to watch a regular season non-district game.  Lets face it all comes down to money!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by ( OLD COACH ) on March 02, 2008 at 3:11 pm

WHEN I STARTED COACHING IN 1961 THE VHSL HAD A STAFF OF ONE. HE DID EVERTHING .NOW DON’T KNOW HOW MANY THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE ALL THESE PLAYOFFS TO SUPPORT THE STAFF UP THERE.IN 1955 ONLY THE DISTRICT CHAMPION WENT TO THE STATE PLAYOFFS.IT MEANT SOMETHING TO GO TO THE STATE TOURNAMENT.

Posted by ( Adam ) on March 03, 2008 at 10:16 am

I think that this was the worst example that could have been used.  One, it was a girl’s semi-final game.  Like it or not, fewer people attend the girls games.  Second, this was the smaller schools so you wouldn’t expect as many fans.  Three, there were four games at two different locations so that cut back on the crowd.  Four, the crowd at Lebanon for the D2 girls semi-final was good.

Since this blog was posted the boys semi-finals and the finals of both boys and girls have been played. The crowds were good at each location. On Saturday for the finals the crowds were good for every game.  It was nearly a packed house for the boys D2 final! Bottom line, I think your assessment was premature.  I’m not a fan of the divisional splits myself but there here to stay.  But let’s argue against it the right way using legitimate examples.  Attendance, as it turns out, was not a problem.

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