I’ve known Doug for years. You know, Doug [came] up to me and said his son was a big fan, and he thanked me for giving him a hat and whatever it was I gave him years ago when he was little. He said, ‘My kid loves you. He roots more for you than he does for me.’ And what happened was … I lost my Mom and Dad, but you expect that. To lose a child, I can’t imagine …

Nobody can help you expect somebody who’s been through that. Herbert called me within a few days of that. And I said, ‘We’ll pray for you.’ … But Herbert, his children, his got another little one; he’ll have to live for her. There’s no way I can say … I know that he’s working for charities, with the foundation. … He’s just the best guy, and all we can do is gather ‘round him.

You’ve got to get through it in your own way. I’ll be honest: I don’t know if I could’ve handled it. I just … I won’t go there. But it screws my head up.