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The fight over the shirts


Posted On:Apr 17, 2008

What do you think? Did administrators make the right call? Are they overreacting to typical youthful behavior? Is there ever any justification for censoring a newspaper in a school setting?

Posted by Andrea Hopkins
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Posted by ( Michael Silence ) on April 17, 2008 at 9:35 am

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Posted by ( randy daugherty ) on April 17, 2008 at 7:01 pm

I never thought that the school system would be so cruel to our children. I thought this was america not russia. Unless a school wants to supply uniforms for students they should not be able to tell them what they can or can not wear.Even with a dress code how were the shirts wrong? I think that the relay for life shirts are a good cause but if they are going to band a shirt that supports a good cause then how are they going to say that any shirt that has something on it can be worn including school logo?

Posted by ( bryan arnold ) on April 17, 2008 at 9:42 pm

I never new that the american cancer society was involved in youth gang violence, Has Mr. Kind or Mr Lathum researched the acs. I believe these young people had good intentions. I graduated from BTHS in 1993, I am also a cancer survivor, This is very disturbing to me, But I would love to ask either gentlemen what would they do if they were in my parents position , I think they would have handle it different if cancer effected them.
The type of cancer is not a issue, cancer knows no boundries or age it effects people from infants to death and bristol all the way back around to bristol, It is a terrible thing, If these young people broke a law give them detention or take other actions but thinking they were a gang, I do not think so. Well may the good lord bless these young men regardless of right or wrong I am not a spokes person for the acs, I am on my own. In closing thank you for your time, and may god bless all of you. thanks bryan arnold

Posted by ( Kelly Neece ) on April 17, 2008 at 10:55 pm

As a parent of a Vance Middle School student I feel that the administrators definitely over overreacted to the Relay for Life shirts. Saying that the color represents a “gang” is ridiculous. The dictionary defines “gang” as a “group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons”. This can be a church function ,a scout meeting and will also include a group of people in support of cause such as Relay for Life. Since when is supporting a charity a bad thing. Concering the idea that the administrators confincated all of the newspapers so students would not have access to them is really voiliting the 1st Amendment rights of my child.If they (the administrators) felt what they were doing was right then why did they try to hide the newspaper? I am glad something is being done about the behaviors of the Vance administrators since I have had a couple of run-ins with them myself and have been a victum of being flat out lied to by Mr. Kind and Mr.Latham. Gald that this school is almost over.

Posted by ( Shelly Steffey ) on April 18, 2008 at 12:55 am

I think the school officials have blown the shirt issue entirely out of proportion.  These children are trying to wear shirts to support a disease which is widespread in our area. Who are we to say that these children have not experienced the disease or have had a member of their own family battle cancer?  This may be a cause that is dear to their heart....passion!!  Since when did passion and compassion become such a negative thing?  So they disrupted classes while walking down the hall....is that really that big of a deal?  Do students not disrupt classes when going to lunch, the bathroom, or the water fountain???  What’s next?  Will they be asked to stay in their classroom to eat their meals and wear a foley catheter to school?  I believe the school should be more concerned with bullies, drugs in school, and creating an environment that enhances learning. Forget worrying about purple shirts....it’s ridiculous! Relay for Life is an awesome charity! The school should support these children who want to draw attention to this worthy cause, not discourage them!

Posted by ( Bill Soltes ) on April 18, 2008 at 9:15 am

Whoa, whoa, whoa, get real people! This isn’t about the Relay for Life, Cancer, or a purple shirt. This is about a group of troublemakers that have been disruptive throughout their elementary and middle school years hiding behind last year’s shirts for a worthy cause that one of their Dad’s is selling for $2.00 each and not contibuting that money for the cancer cause they were intended for in the first place. These unmanaged kids deliberately disrupted school by banging on lockers and making kids move from the tables they were eating lunch at and declaring that those were their tables. They just happen to choose these particular shirts. What if they were all wearing Vance Middle School shirts? Would this still have been such a community uproar? Deal with the act, not with the means.

I have two children in the BTCS system that were devastated by the loss of their Mother to cancer this school year. This is a real slap in the face to my family to dwell on the the shirts and what they stand for as the issue. These kids are getting a free ride for their misbehavior by all the misguided publicicity.

As far as Mr. Latham and Mr. Kind go, these two gentlemen are friggin idiots and no longer deserve to be administrators in a school system that I strongly support. What good are all the surveys that are sent home throughout the school year when administrative issues aren’t addressed. We have a lot of excellent educators and mentors whithin the school system that are constantly stymied and restrained by the administrative threat of diciplinary action or expulsion. When is our School Board going to wake up and realize that we need school leadership that actually encourages, develops, and broadens our children’s minds and our teachers guidance. I would encourage the parents to petition for their removal instead of concentrating on what color shirt to provide their kids to wear to school.

Bill Soltes

Now that I’ve wriiten this, I wish I would have sent it to the newspaper for publication beacuae not everyone will see this in an elctronic blog. Feel free to oblige me.

Posted by ( CLARA ) on April 18, 2008 at 10:55 am

I’ve never heard of such a thing.  The administration should be ashamed of themselves.  Check you facts before you ban something because of the color.  Also, if the students don’t read the paper how will they know what is going on in the world.  You know most of the students don’t look at the news once they get home.  How else will they know.  You people have lost it.  I thought schools where to educate students.

Posted by ( Wanson D. Hutchinson ) on April 18, 2008 at 1:54 pm

Doesn’t the “dress code” at Vance Middle School or any other public school for that matter address students wearing “colors” to school? I thought that the public school system had enough foresight to have already incorperated a rule against children wearing “colors” to school in the dress code. Even though the purple “Relay for Life” shirts are not any indication of “gang” activity or I don’t think would insight violence in any way, the children should have first ask the schools administration if wearing the shirts to school would be ok.
Shouldn’t a “dress code” state that if students wants to support a cause, such as Cancer Awarness, Heart Disease, Diabeties by wearing clothing that signifies that cause, they must have the schools approval first? If not then the horse has left the stall. The children I’m sure meant well, they just didn’t go about it the right way, after all they are children.

Posted by ( Ken ) on April 18, 2008 at 7:52 pm

I think this shows the school administrators are out of touch with reality.  They outlaw a color that is meant for a good cause?  If I was a student there, I would try to organize a little protest.  I would have a blue day, a red day, a white day, a green day, etc.  When you try to do something for the good others and you get punished, how do you know what to do in the future?

Posted by ( Robert W ) on April 20, 2008 at 9:38 am

what else would you expect from a government school. individuality is discouraged at all cost.trying to regulate what what,when and how they should do something is the grand scheme of government schools. although this depresses me,,i am not the least bit surprised that it happened.what if both principles came to school wearing the same color ties,,,,,hmmmmmmmm. i bet that has happened more than one time. sorry folks,just your typical government education system!

Posted by ( cathy newland ) on April 20, 2008 at 5:28 pm

we shouldn’t worry about the kinds of shirts those children had on… I’ve worked for the city school system and now i work for the county and a bad shirt is like portraing the devil or these bad rock bands that the kids like… those children was supporting something good.. they were saying"I care about someone who is sick or who could die from illness”
give them a break!!!! the directors should ban som other shirts i’ve seen around town.

Posted by ( Tony Webb ) on April 21, 2008 at 5:08 am

Mr. Kind should retire anyday now and I do not have much confidence in Mr. Latham.

Posted by ( Wanda Richardson ) on April 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm

First of all I would like to say THANK YOU to Matt Smith!! As an 11yr cancer survivor, it truely touches my heart that young people are taking up this worthy cause. To Vance Middle School administrators SHAME ON YOU! How can a purple Relay for Life T-shirt be a distruption to a school environment? How can Relay for Life be a problem? Do you NOT want a cure for cancer to be found? Relay for Life only raises money for cancer research and education, what is the problem with a t-shirt for that? It isnt like he was wearing a T-shirt promoting drugs, alchol, viloence, sex… For crying out loud it was a t-shirt trying to help find A CURE for CANCER!!! I beleive you owe MR. Matt Smith a formal and public apology. Thank you Matt for taking a stand! You make this cancer survivor VERY PROUD! God Bless you and all who are doing their part to help find a cure for cancer!

Posted by ( Terry ) on April 22, 2008 at 9:14 am

Maybe I’m missing something here.  I really don’t think that the school administrators were saying anything detrimental about Relay For Life.  I can’t imagine anyone being that callous.  And, yes, my family has also been stricken with this horrible disease so I can empathize with those of you who are coming from that direction.

It seems that the Principal and Vice Principal were only trying to head off some developing problems that had apparently been caused by some students wearing purple Relay For Life shirts – noisy, disruptive, banging on lockers, etc.  The key words here are “seems” and “apparently” since I don’t ever remember seeing anyone from the School System specifically explain their side of it.  I’m sure that they didn’t want to get into a war of words by responding, but that’s exactly what they got by not doing so.  They most definitely missed the mark there.

I’ve raised 3 children that have gone through public schools here in Bristol.  We all know that while sometimes “kids will be kids”, other times some of their actions are just not appropriate and have to be handled as such.  I think I remember one of the kids saying something to the effect that they made me take off my purple shirt, but I put it back on anyway.  If that’s true and the parents condoned it, then we’re allowing our children to make their own rules and that’s not the way to run a School System.  I do feel that the administrators most likely overreacted – but, again, we won’t know their thinking if they don’t ever tell us.  There seems to be a whole lot of “he says, she says” in this issue – things that need to be explained.  There are ways of handling this through the appropriate channels.

What if the kids had been wearing purple AC/DC shirts?  Would there have been this much uproar?

Posted by ( Tim Thomsen ) on April 25, 2008 at 12:15 am

I also have a student at VMS.  She has a rare form of cancer that we have been fighting for a couple of years now.  It pains me and my daughter to see all the fighting and bickering over something that most of you don’t have a clue what your talking about. No T-shirts were ever banned.  Newspapers were taken up so TCAP exams could begin. Interesting how that rumor got spread huh… Just because you read it in the paper doesn’t mean it is completely true.  Boring stories that are completely factual do not sell newpapers.  Now let me tell you, all of Vance has supported our family beyond my expectations.  Especially Mr. Kind, Mr. Latham and Mrs. Easterling.  I have witnessed personally these folks giving of themselves to others, showing compassion and concern that is rare these days.  It is a thankless job they have.  I would challenge any of you who call them out to do a better job. 
As far as support of Relay for life, do any of you realize there is an already planned event to be held at Vance May 16th?  This had been planned all year.  Wake up Bristol, this administration is doing more than its part to support those with cancer and especially for their students.  You people should be volunteering your time and efforts to help them instead of running them in the ground.  We have seen alot of hurt and anquish in our trips to St. Jude in Memphis, Children’s National in DC, Vanderbilt Children’s in Nashville, and now Georgetown in DC.  I can tell you from experience that these administrators are among the best at what they do.  We have delt with school teachers from every institute we have been to and without fail, they have praised our system and school leaders.  This is from the best Hospitals in this country.  These people deal with this sort of thing every day.  With that said, I can only speak to what I know to be factual, can you say that with your post?  Most of the posts I have read are responding to something they have read in another post or heard as a rumor.  This was never about cancer, never about the color purple, never about t-shirts.  Those of you who are hurt because of what you believe to be true but don’t know for a fact need to seek out what the real issue is here.  Otherwise I feel for you.  You are destined for a life of hurt at every turn.  Quit blaming everything and everyone else.  We have, and my daughter is better off for it.  Thank you!

Posted by ( Robert W ) on April 26, 2008 at 9:31 am

most of you folks are missing the point . it is not about what is on the shirts!!!!!! they all had on the same color. it is a knock on their individuality,,,,same old government school crap. as we all know, the government school administrators knows what is best for the kids. yeah right,,and the rooster is responsible for the sunrise.

Posted by ( Wanson D. Hutchinson ) on April 29, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Yea, your right Robert of Rosedale, most people did miss the point, you included. It never has been about a “purple tee shirt” or the “Relay for Life” it is about a group of disorderly children disrupting school where others go to be taught and to learn. It’s about obeying the rules of the Public School System, respecting your fellow students, teachers and school administrators. It’s about acting like civilized young people that should have ask a teacher for advise before attempting to sound off about what is a worth cause.
That said don’t even try to preach to me about children’s feelings aqnd actions. I survived Polio at the age of 5, wore braces on both legs until I was 11 after my parents were told I’d never walk again. Kids are cruel in ways those that have never been their can ever imagine. I’ve also survived cancer and stand in the ranks of the few that can say “Ive been there and bought that tee shirt”.
Like I said it’s not about the tee shirt, it’s always been about the actions of the kids and now the parents. If the parents fail to teach their children to respect others and to obey the rules and to behave like civilized human beings then they might very well start wearing “colors” other than purple with words other that “Relay of Life”. I spent part of my youth in the District of Columbia (Washington D.C.)I know a little about what I’m talking about, not something I was told, saw on TV, a movie or a video game. Real life experience is the best teacher, if you survive.

Posted by ( Robert W ) on April 30, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Wanson----have you read and kept up with this from the beginning? obviously not! the alleged “disruptive behavior” was after the fact. the first child was snatched up as he first arrived at school. i have no idea what you are talking about me preaching to you.but,,i still stand by my assertion that this is government school at it’s worst.how can another person tell a child what is a worth cause.contrary to your belief,,people and kids too,,,can think for themselves. you growing up in washington d.c doesn’t mean a thing to this conversation. so what about the administrators not allowing the kids to read the newspaper. hate to burst your bubble,,,,but you MISSED the point.it is about individuality,,censorship,,and living free in the grand ole U.S.A

Posted by ( Chris ) on June 03, 2008 at 6:59 am

Andrea,

How about a new topic? We’re dying out here.

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